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boundary="_000_PAXPR06MB85566CD9E65347E22C43D772BCEF9PAXPR06MB8556eurp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sct-15-20-4755-11-msonline-outlook-6e454.templateTenant X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: PAXPR06MB8556.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e47b2fb9-e521-403c-9c63-08da1e4db86c X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Apr 2022 19:33:58.0693 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM6PR06MB4406 --_000_PAXPR06MB85566CD9E65347E22C43D772BCEF9PAXPR06MB8556eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To integrate the polling into an existing WOEnvironment you could do the fo= lllowing: - Two AjaxUpdateContainer. One with an AutoRefresh which contains an AjaxUp= dateTrigger - If you have a new task the Trigger refreshes the big container. Then you have fast and small polling. On the conceptual side there could also be a message broker system consider= ed (some small Mqtt-broker). But this is hard to fit into the WO-World. I c= hecked the Wonder-Code and there also would be some Websocket-Support avail= able. Best Regards, Wolfy Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: WebObjects & WOnder Development on b= ehalf of Samuel Pelletier Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 3:14:36 PM To: WebObjects & WOnder Development Subject: [WO-DEV] Re: Need conceptual help Hi Markus, I see at least 2 options that works for a web app in a controlled environme= nt like this: 1 - Assign a persistent cookie to the device in a special page that identif= y the device in your system. 2- If you use DHCP assigned IP, your iPad have "static" its that can be use= d to identify them. Both informations are available in the WORequest. About the pooling comment, I do not see a real problem there for few device= s that need to pool slowly. I do not see a requirement for faster than 20-3= 0 seconds since either the device is given to the person (and a manual refe= ree can be done there) or the person need to walk to the device. You can im= plement that kind of pooling with AjaxPing very easily. Implementing WebSoc= ket is way more complex and kind of overkill for something like this. BTW, is there anyone with a WebSocket integration sample ? I searched to im= plement the server part and did not found useful sample or implementation t= o integrate inside a Java app, The most complete and interesting informatio= n are all using an external server for this and the developper need to find= a way to identify the client and build some custom protocol for the messag= ing. Anyway WebSocket is cool for single page app but for standard full page ref= resh app, the socket is closed on every page load unless I missed something= . Regards, Samuel Le 10 avr. 2022 =E0 14:48, Markus Ruggiero (rucotec) > a =E9crit : Thanks, this might help eventually. However I did not want to create a native iPad app, just wanted to make sur= e that the browser was known to the WO server application. But maybe in the= end a native app will be the solution - just not yet. ---markus--- On 10 Apr 2022, at 18:20, J=E9r=E9my DE ROYER > wrote: Bonsoir Markus, Each app on an iPad has a unique ID set when the app is installed. In Swift code, I use the code below : - UIDevice.current.identifierForVendor!.uuidString Using that, I can authorize the acces to an app for specific iPads. I hope it will help you, J=E9r=E9my Le 10 avr. 2022 =E0 16:05, Markus Ruggiero (rucotec) > a =E9crit : Dear WO-ers, I need your expertise. I want to have a defined set of tablets (iPad) tied into my application. Th= e tablets act as a satellite device in the context of a customer checking i= nto a clinic. The person comes up to the registration desk and is checked i= n. The receptionist sees that there is some registration data missing and h= ands the patient a tablet with the running application (or directs the cust= omer to "use the green screen over there=94). The receptionist should now b= e able to remotely open the registration screen on that green iPad, the cus= tomer filling in the data and then pressing Save. My train of thoughts goes like this: As a one-time operation an admin opens the application from that green iPad= , goes to a registration screen, and creates a =93Satellite" entry in the d= atabase. This entry gets a UUID (or something similar) and that UUID should= be put into the green iPads Web Storage. This is a one-time registration o= f the device (actually the browser on that device, not the device itself). When the workday starts the receptionist logs into the application on the g= reen iPad and goes to a dedicated screen. This screen then polls every coup= le of seconds whether there is some task available on the server. There may= be a number of different tasks that the receptionist can create. The recep= tionist assigns such a task to the green iPad (or the red one or...) as an = entry in the database and the polling iPad then displays the task screen. T= his kind of pushes a task to a browser. When the task is done the iPad goes= back to polling. The server also knows that the green iPad is busy or not. I need to identify the polling iPad and I want to pre-register the iPad as = a security measure. How would you tackle such a requirement? Thanks ---markus--- --_000_PAXPR06MB85566CD9E65347E22C43D772BCEF9PAXPR06MB8556eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To integrate the polling into an existing WOEnvironment you could do the fo= lllowing:
- Two AjaxUpdateContainer. One with an AutoRefresh which contains an AjaxUp= dateTrigger
- If you have a new task the Trigger refreshes the big container.
Then you have fast and small polling.

On the conceptual side there could also be a message broker system consider= ed (some small Mqtt-broker). But this is hard to fit into the WO-World. I c= hecked the Wonder-Code and there also would be some Websocket-Support avail= able.

Best Regards,
Wolfy

From: WebObjects & WOnd= er Development <webobjects-dev@wocommunity.org> on behalf of Samuel P= elletier <samuel@samkar.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 3:14:36 PM
To: WebObjects & WOnder Development <webobjects-dev@wocommuni= ty.org>
Subject: [WO-DEV] Re: Need conceptual help
 

I see at least 2 options that works for a web app in a cont= rolled environment like this:

1 - Assign a persistent cookie to the device in a special p= age that identify the device in your system.

2- If you use DHCP assigned IP, your iPad have "static= " its that can be used to identify them.

Both informations are available in the WORequest.

About the pooling comment, I do not see a real problem ther= e for few devices that need to pool slowly. I do not see a requirement for = faster than 20-30 seconds since either the device is given to the person (a= nd a manual referee can be done there) or the person need to walk to the device. You can implement that kind of p= ooling with AjaxPing very easily. Implementing WebSocket is way more comple= x and kind of overkill for something like this.

BTW, is there anyone with a WebSocket integration sample ? I searched = to implement the server part and did not found useful sample or implementat= ion to integrate inside a Java app, The most complete and interesting infor= mation are all using an external server for this and the developper need to find a way to identify the clie= nt and build some custom protocol for the messaging.

Anyway WebSocket is cool for single page app but for standard full pag= e refresh app, the socket is closed on every page load unless I missed some= thing.

Regards,

Samuel



Le 10 avr. 2022 =E0 14:48, Markus Ruggiero (rucotec) <markus.ruggiero@ruco= tec.ch> a =E9crit :


However I did not want to create a native iPad app, just wa= nted to make sure that the browser was known to the WO server application. = But maybe in the end a native app will be the solution - just not yet.

---markus---

On 10 Apr 2022, at 18:20, J=E9r=E9my DE ROYER <jeremy.deroyer@ingencys.= net> wrote:


Each app on an iPad has a unique ID set when the app is ins= talled.

In Swift code, I use the code below :
- UIDevice.current.identifierForVendor!.uuidString

Using that, I can authorize the acces to an app for specifi= c iPads.

I hope it will help you,

J=E9r=E9my

Le 10 avr. 2022 =E0 16:05, Markus Ruggiero (rucotec) <markus.ruggiero@ruco= tec.ch> a =E9crit :

Dear WO-ers, I need your expertise.

I want to have a defined set of tablets (iPad) tied into my application. Th= e tablets act as a satellite device in the context of a customer checking i= nto a clinic. The person comes up to the registration desk and is checked i= n. The receptionist sees that there is some registration data missing and hands the patient a tablet with the = running application (or directs the customer to "use the green screen = over there=94). The receptionist should now be able to remotely open the re= gistration screen on that green iPad, the customer filling in the data and then pressing Save.

My train of thoughts goes like this:

As a one-time operation an admin opens the application from that green iPad= , goes to a registration screen, and creates a =93Satellite" entry in = the database. This entry gets a UUID (or something similar) and that UUID s= hould be put into the green iPads Web Storage. This is a one-time registration of the device (actually the browser on tha= t device, not the device itself).
When the workday starts the receptionist logs into the application on the g= reen iPad and goes to a dedicated screen. This screen then polls every coup= le of seconds whether there is some task available on the server. There may= be a number of different tasks that the receptionist can create. The receptionist assigns such a task to = the green iPad (or the red one or...) as an entry in the database and the p= olling iPad then displays the task screen. This kind of pushes a task to a = browser. When the task is done the iPad goes back to polling. The server also knows that the green iPad is bu= sy or not.

I need to identify the polling iPad and I want to pre-register the iPad as = a security measure.

How would you tackle such a requirement?
Thanks
---markus---








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