X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.22.2a (ClamAV engine v0.102.2) X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] Return-Path: Received: from mail01.rucotec.ch ([65.21.159.64] verified) by post.selbstdenker.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.3.11d) with ESMTPS id 28072112 for webobjects-dev@wocommunity.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 11:31:48 +0200 Received-SPF: pass receiver=post.selbstdenker.com; client-ip=65.21.159.64; envelope-from=markus.ruggiero@rucotec.ch Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Mailerdaemon) with ESMTPSA id 121365DA44; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 11:31:25 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rucotec.ch; s=dkim; t=1655717487; h=from:subject:date:message-id:to:cc:mime-version:content-type: in-reply-to:references; bh=FrMvqAXCKRI2hIXTbTksjLLS9+ga7Hblb8T1AyXqQ9k=; b=OSfaSbjG9NPoKiTOobGRM5NKHoPCJ3LAVeviBtB2CBgzY6aTfez/xO1hGEb/CPl238FX6X rUIbVl6YMt0Oz8leXAfaG0IdOlN2TfB3vW9AYKpoyTafeqkfKLp8+6DkWYMxN4TRNZK6Hd R35ThB/0hULsFq9gpz/jUZqxhyDErgmynsmGJUPrBC6mkQPk7hs4es5izXkbX4fMSHDph+ rtJaBwLKLqBpUzWBMo/icadPBoZDBdibQdtQWQfS2ZbdoU3tsxmEQSoeJgp7jKmWukpXWK 5WrEsuE8Nnork8N2unhD/raO+AR5496nRl2hSmeRmx5GHqx9rQKa3V0u11KUog== From: "Markus Ruggiero (rucotec)" Message-Id: <6AA57ED7-2540-47D8-94CE-2CFE3DCC01AC@rucotec.ch> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DFC86190-D960-4C02-B9D4-3BAEBAB43630"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop Wonder's Ant Build Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 11:31:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: "webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com" , webobjects & WOnder Development To: Ramsey Gurley References: <8ACD48DC-4D0F-45D2-9C36-7F67823E12C0@gmail.com> <117FB8C7-E31F-4B94-9208-F8552CADF4A6@agencysacks.com> <0C9F28BB-4DCB-4CA3-972D-7C954CD8A17A@logicsquad.net> X-Last-TLS-Session-Version: TLSv1.2 --Apple-Mail=_DFC86190-D960-4C02-B9D4-3BAEBAB43630 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_81EA2DE7-E0D1-41C1-9D24-131400B60EE7" --Apple-Mail=_81EA2DE7-E0D1-41C1-9D24-131400B60EE7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 20 Jun 2022, at 01:27, Ramsey Gurley via Webobjects-dev = wrote: >=20 > I'm okay with moving away from ant builds for wonder. Someone pointed = out to me the jenkins build on wocommunity has been broken for a few = months now. >=20 > While on the subject of maven, I did some work on a new archetype for = WO in my spare time. It's basically = https://github.com/nullterminated/wodocker = with a few extras. I've = managed to run it not just as a docker container, but under minikube as = well. >=20 > I've thought about making a couple more (one for woframework and a D2W = app). I'm hoping to maybe push to maven central under a = org.wocommunity.archetypes groupId, with the goal of reducing the = getting started process with WO to three steps. 1. Install Eclipse 2. = Install wolips 3. Start project with archetype from maven central. No = local woinstall required, no fiddling with ~/.m2/settings.xml. Just = three steps. And name the artifactId so searching "webobjects" finds = its. >=20 > I'm aware of the existing archetypes. I don't think that repo should = go away, but does anyone actually use non-Wonder woapplications anymore? = Is Dave Avendasora still around? Does D2JC even work past Java 8? >=20 > Anyway, I think it would be most streamlined if the archetypes were = only the 2-3 that people may use, on maven central, and easy to find. = Then maybe make a quick little tutorial about how to get started in = three easy steps. +1 sounds good to me even though I still do things the old-fashioned way = with ant and my hands. Haven=E2=80=99t gone to Maven yet but "it=E2=80=99s= in the pipe line" (TM) =F0=9F=98=87 ---markus--- >=20 > From: Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev = > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 6:37 AM > To: Dev WO >; = WebObjects-Dev List > > Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop Wonder's Ant Build > =20 > BTW, > =20 > I would be willing to put some money into a =E2=80=9Cfund me=E2=80=9D = kind of thing where someone that uses Maven creates a real wiki section = on using Maven. > =20 > Just a thought. > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" > > Reply-To: Dev WO > > Date: Friday, June 17, 2022 at 9:32 AM > To: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" > > Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop Wonder's Ant Build > =20 > I=E2=80=99m like Ted, > =20 > I though it would prevent me from keeping my current (ant) projects as = they are. > I understand this only applies to building Wonder. > I don=E2=80=99t think it would be fair to ask the contributors to = spend time on keeping a build system for Wonder that none of them use. > =20 > So as far as my opinion counts, I=E2=80=99m not against dropping ant = build system from the Wonder build:) > =20 > Xavier > =20 >=20 >=20 > On 17 Jun 2022, at 15:26, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev = > = wrote: > =20 > Just to answer the question from before, I do build my own Wonder = frameworks. It looks like I am going to have to put in the time to get = Maven going in my work flow., > =20 > =20 > =20 > BTW, does anyone here subscribe to Builtlwith? > =20 > 814 new WebObjects Leads > https://trends.builtwith.com/websitelist/WebObjects/Added-Recently = > =20 > I was looking around and I was amazed that the Siemens login page has = a video tutorial. As I watched it I noticed that all the pages referred = to had WebObjects in the URL. There is WebObjects out there. > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" > > Reply-To: Paul Hoadley > > Date: Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 8:06 PM > To: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" > > Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop Wonder's Ant Build > =20 > Hey Ted, > =20 > Already answered, but just for additional reassurance: > =20 > On 17 Jun 2022, at 08:17, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev = > = wrote: > =20 > What about us guys whose projects are smallish projects and never = instituted Maven... > =20 > It won't affect your projects! This is purely about building the = Wonder frameworks from source. You won't need to migrate your projects = to Maven if you don't want to, though I strongly recommend that you do. > =20 > =20 > --=20 > Paul Hoadley > https://logicsquad.net/ = > https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ = > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com = ) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > = https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects%40anazys= .com = >=20 > This email sent to webobjects@anazys.com = > =20 > Confidentiality Notice: This email, including all attachments and = replies thereto, are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy = Act, 18 U.S.C. Sections 2510-2521 and are legally privileged. This = information is confidential, and intended only for the use of the = individuals or entities named above. 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On = 20 Jun 2022, at 01:27, Ramsey Gurley via Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:

I'm okay with moving away from ant builds for = wonder. Someone pointed out to me the jenkins build on wocommunity has = been broken for a few months now.

While on the subject of maven, I did some work = on a new archetype for WO in my spare time. It's basically https://github.com/nullterminated/wodocker with a = few extras. I've managed to run it not just as a docker container, but = under minikube as well.

I've thought about = making a couple more (one for woframework and a D2W app). I'm hoping to = maybe push to maven central under a org.wocommunity.archetypes groupId, = with the goal of reducing the getting started process with WO to three = steps. 1. Install Eclipse 2. Install wolips 3. Start project with = archetype from maven central. No local woinstall required, no fiddling = with ~/.m2/settings.xml. Just three steps. And name the artifactId so = searching "webobjects" finds its.

I'm aware of the = existing archetypes. I don't think that repo should go away, but does = anyone actually use non-Wonder woapplications anymore? Is Dave = Avendasora still around? Does D2JC even work past Java 8?

Anyway, I think it would be most streamlined if = the archetypes were only the 2-3 that people may use, on maven central, = and easy to find. Then maybe make a quick little tutorial about how to = get started in three easy steps.

+1
sounds good to me even though I still = do things the old-fashioned way with ant and my hands. Haven=E2=80=99t = gone to Maven yet but "it=E2=80=99s in the pipe line" (TM) = =F0=9F=98=87

---markus---

From: Theodore Petrosky via = Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 6:37 = AM
To: Dev WO <webobjects@anazys.com>; = WebObjects-Dev List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop = Wonder's Ant Build
 
BTW,

 

I would = be willing to put some money into a =E2=80=9Cfund me=E2=80=9D kind of = thing where someone that uses Maven creates a real wiki section on using = Maven.

 

Just = a thought.

 

 

 

From: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>
Reply-To: Dev WO <webobjects@anazys.com>
Date: Friday, June 17, 2022 = at 9:32 AM
To: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" = <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop = Wonder's Ant Build

 

I=E2=80= =99m like Ted,

 

I though = it would prevent me from keeping my current (ant) projects as they = are.
I understand this = only applies to building Wonder.
I don=E2=80=99t think it would be fair to ask = the contributors to spend time on keeping a build system for Wonder that = none of them use.

 

So as far = as my opinion counts, I=E2=80=99m not against dropping ant build system = from the Wonder build:)

 

Xavier

 



On 17 Jun 2022, at 15:26, Theodore = Petrosky via Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:

 

Just to answer the question from = before, I do build my own Wonder frameworks. It looks like I am going to = have to put in the time to get Maven going in my work = flow.,

 

 

 

BTW, does = anyone here subscribe to Builtlwith?

 

814 new = WebObjects Leads
https://trends.builtwith.com/websitelist/WebObjects/Added-Recen= tly

 

I was = looking around and I was amazed that the Siemens login page has a video = tutorial. As I watched it I noticed that all the pages referred to had = WebObjects in the URL. There is WebObjects out there.

 

 

 

From: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>
Reply-To: Paul Hoadley <paulh@logicsquad.net>
Date: Thursday, June 16, = 2022 at 8:06 PM
To: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" = <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop = Wonder's Ant Build

 

Hey Ted,

 

Already answered, but just = for additional reassurance:

 

On 17 Jun 2022, at 08:17, = Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> = wrote:

 

What about us guys whose projects are smallish projects and = never instituted Maven...

 

It won't affect your projects! This is purely = about building the Wonder frameworks from source. You won't need to = migrate your projects to Maven if you don't want to, though I strongly = recommend that you do.
 

 

-- 
Paul Hoadley
https://logicsquad.net/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/

 

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