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boundary="_000_BYAPR18MB2534141E9E48B7AC2E7C0C0F861C9BYAPR18MB2534namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: practicemojo.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BYAPR18MB2534.namprd18.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: dd0e2fcd-b83e-41b8-dede-08dada3d1c27 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Dec 2022 23:28:42.6113 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: de0a5129-99d3-4d35-a928-09047a134775 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: zokJot1RcfSnQm6r5587uoFuvGx2ifIaNJ+2rgtP0WH7SoefOF9+FN1JuJuipuYA/RQMoQle1bUedBFsg5WykXJkUv36JCiks8J1h6y41GA= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN9PR18MB4204 --_000_BYAPR18MB2534141E9E48B7AC2E7C0C0F861C9BYAPR18MB2534namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >If we are targeting Java 17 compliance I don't really see any need for WOnder to go java 17 in source. There's not= a lot of active development happening in Wonder, so it would be unnecessar= y work to do that and limit backward compatibility with those still using 8= . I just care that it continues to build without errors using the latest ja= va. That's what origin/master should do now. As you pointed out, without access to source, it is getting harder and hard= er to drag WebObjects into the future. ________________________________ From: WebObjects & WOnder Development on b= ehalf of Aaron Rosenzweig Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2022 6:37 AM To: WebObjects & WOnder Development Subject: [WO-DEV] duplication in frameworks: ERExtensions, javaeoaccess [You don't often get email from aaron@chatnbike.com. Learn why this is impo= rtant at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] The package com.webobjects.eoaccess is defined in both: ERExtensions, javae= oaccess javaeoaccess is a framework from NeXT/Apple. I believe ERExtensions recreated a distinctly apple package name so that we= could replace Apple's _EOExpressionArray with a new one from Wonder. This worked because if we load ERExtensions before JavaEOAccess.framework= =85 in the class path, the first one wins. Old JVMs would happily take the = first. While this is risky, it worked as long as we were careful (and sort = of knew what Apple was doing). We did things like this because we didn=92t = own JavaEOAccess and basically =93patched it=94 because we wanted an improv= ement that Apple didn=92t provide. We could do better than Apple and this i= s how we did it, while letting the rest of the Apple plumbing continue work= ing with particular object replacements. This cannot work past Java 1.8 can it? If we are targeting Java 17 complian= ce, we are then using JPMS (Java Package Module System) aka =93Java Modules= =94 which won=92t accept this type of patch. In my application project, I created a module-info.java and placed these li= nes in it: requires ERExtensions; requires javaeoaccess; We need both lines right? But this results in the the following unsurprisin= g error: The package com.webobjects.eoaccess is accessible from more than one module= : ERExtensions, javaeoaccess What am I missing? Are we stuck? Without being able to update the Apple jar= s directly, the old hacks cannot work in the new word of Java Modules. We= =92ve done this in many places including NSArray. Are we stuck living in Ja= va 1.8 compliance with Java 17? ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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>If we are targeting Java 17 compliance

I don't really see any need for WOnder to go java 17 in source. There's not = a lot of active development happening in Wonder, so it would be unnecessary= work to do that and limit backward compatibility with those still using 8.= I just care that it continues to build without errors using the latest java. That's what origin/master shou= ld do now.

As you pointed out, without access to source, it is getting harder and harder= to drag WebObjects into the future.

From: WebObjects & WOnd= er Development <webobjects-dev@wocommunity.org> on behalf of Aaron Ro= senzweig <aaron@chatnbike.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2022 6:37 AM
To: WebObjects & WOnder Development <webobjects-dev@wocommuni= ty.org>
Subject: [WO-DEV] duplication in frameworks: ERExtensions, javaeoacc= ess
 
[You don't often get email from aaron@chatnbike.co= m. Learn why this is important at https://aka.ms/Le= arnAboutSenderIdentification ]

The package com.webobjects.eoaccess is defined in both: ERExtensions, javae= oaccess

javaeoaccess is a framework from NeXT/Apple.

I believe ERExtensions recreated a distinctly apple package name so that we= could replace Apple's _EOExpressionArray with a new one from Wonder.

This worked because if we load ERExtensions before JavaEOAccess.framework= =85 in the class path, the first one wins. Old JVMs would happily take the = first. While this is risky, it worked as long as we were careful (and sort = of knew what Apple was doing). We did things like this because we didn=92t own JavaEOAccess and basically =93pat= ched it=94 because we wanted an improvement that Apple didn=92t provide. We= could do better than Apple and this is how we did it, while letting the re= st of the Apple plumbing continue working with particular object replacements.

This cannot work past Java 1.8 can it? If we are targeting Java 17 complian= ce, we are then using JPMS (Java Package Module System) aka =93Java Modules= =94 which won=92t accept this type of patch.

In my application project, I created a module-info.java and placed these li= nes in it:

requires ERExtensions;
requires javaeoaccess;

We need both lines right? But this results in the the following unsurprisin= g error:
The package com.webobjects.eoaccess is accessible from more than one module= : ERExtensions, javaeoaccess

What am I missing? Are we stuck? Without being able to update the Apple jar= s directly, the old hacks cannot work in the new word of Java Modules. We= =92ve done this in many places including NSArray. Are we stuck living in Ja= va 1.8 compliance with Java 17?
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