X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.25a (ClamAV 0.103.8/26980) X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] Return-Path: Received: from mail.hrdcstl.com ([159.203.70.82] verified) by post.selbstdenker.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.3.18) with ESMTPS id 31087814 for webobjects-dev@wocommunity.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:31:52 +0200 Received-SPF: pass receiver=post.selbstdenker.com; client-ip=159.203.70.82; envelope-from=wo@hrdcstl.com Received: from authenticated-user (mail.hrdcstl.com [159.203.70.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hrdcstl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C791114C01D for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:31:30 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hrdcstl.com; s=mail; t=1690281090; bh=l0J1zWPFpgyi0wrsnANptkbiob+2DrYf5xlsPQGf5zY=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From; b=fwCw9QRptHWnwmzRzBiRJIyoK5UiJup/HY5bJMpyW+LCWVze5kXKFOK9WpxCH6AQq JSb4hbi6BzX3IsZbuHAKjt/tJZnlB5U08IYQqyDwWtBa9+KOk1NCdl6YbNS2kxG6jz 4m/VmUSDrWAzHdtF9hs9mjIx4RiWQ9EIfLjfuqtpkU+8adU9YjXztEze5YOwfVYRAQ V6pStnwh4eEQDX18y11+auBAo1OEeEVhoCZz99OCnjw4QpFQ+ldwNujsLC4hCoxEvP acqo4yd406Af9lQThNa8qYz6zw264Vx7o0sfGG5dpxDyjETf2wD3vcWUBdSWkAK9Fy 1yZTL4K+T2aWg== From: Asa Steady Hardcastle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FE49082E-EB63-4A33-AB95-D27500C1F6AA" Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [WO-DEV] WOLips bugfixes and new features planning Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:31:19 -0400 References: To: WebObjects & WOnder Development In-Reply-To: Message-Id: --Apple-Mail=_FE49082E-EB63-4A33-AB95-D27500C1F6AA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Maik, Either platform suits me. I like IntelliJ, and use it for all of my = other work these days. If it is likely to be easier to find a developer = who can maintain an IntelliJ plugin, I would support (and help to fund) = that move.=20 A quick search results in this statement from a Jet Brains employee = regarding an eclipse plugin developer creating an IntelliJ plugin: > Before starting to develop plugins for IntelliJ IDEA, please consider = learning how to use the product. If you do so, you will notice that = IntelliJ IDEA does not have a concept of perspectives, and instead = relies on toolwindows to organize the user interface. Thanks, Asa > On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:24 AM, Maik Musall wrote: >=20 > Hi Paul, >=20 > well, aiming to update WOLips =E2=80=9Cjust=E2=80=9D to address those = issues comes down to the same problem of finding someone to do it. But = indeed we had someone contacting us about that, but before we go ahead = and actually throw money that way I=E2=80=99d be more comfortable = receiving more input from everyone about the Eclipse vs. IntelliJ = question. >=20 > Maik >=20 >=20 >> Am 19.07.2023 um 03:29 schrieb Paul Hoadley : >>=20 >> Hi Maik, >>=20 >> On 18 Jul 2023, at 20:22, Maik Musall via Webobjects-dev = > = wrote: >>=20 >>> We=E2=80=99re still sitting on the unused funds from everyone and = feel uncomfortable with the situation. >>=20 >> As a single data point, this is no problem from Logic Squad's = perspective. We know you're holding the money and that spending it has = proven rather difficult! >>=20 >>> In the meantime, we had a number of potential employees for job = interviews, and many of them weren=E2=80=99t fond of the idea to move = from whatever they used before to Eclipse. Maybe we should abandon that = idea and look at creating a plugin for IntelliJ instead or something, = and use the funds towards that? >>=20 >> I note in Slack there are some people mentioning issues with very = recent Eclipse releases. What's the prospect of updating WOLips just to = address those issues? I'd be happy to spend some of the money on just = keeping it running. Who was it that made the most recent changes to = address Eclipse API changes, and can we tempt them with money to look at = this? >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Paul Hoadley >> https://logicsquad.net/ >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_FE49082E-EB63-4A33-AB95-D27500C1F6AA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Maik,

Either platform suits me.  I like = IntelliJ, and use it for all of my other work these days. If it is = likely to be easier to find a developer who can maintain an IntelliJ = plugin, I would support (and help to fund) that = move. 

A quick search results in this = statement from a Jet Brains employee regarding an eclipse plugin = developer creating an IntelliJ = plugin:

Before starting to develop plugins for IntelliJ IDEA, = please consider learning how to use the product. If you do so, you will = notice that IntelliJ IDEA does not have a concept of perspectives, and = instead relies on toolwindows to organize the user = interface.

Thanks,

Asa





On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:24 AM, Maik = Musall <maik@selbstdenker.ag> wrote:

Hi = Paul,

well, aiming to update WOLips =E2=80=9Cjust=E2=80= =9D to address those issues comes down to the same problem of finding = someone to do it. But indeed we had someone contacting us about that, = but before we go ahead and actually throw money that way I=E2=80=99d be = more comfortable receiving more input from everyone about the Eclipse = vs. IntelliJ = question.

Maik


Am 19.07.2023 um 03:29 schrieb Paul Hoadley = <paulh@logicsquad.net>:

Hi = Maik,

On 18 Jul 2023, at 20:22, Maik Musall via = Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.= com> wrote:

We=E2=80=99re still sitting on the unused funds = from everyone and feel uncomfortable with the = situation.

As a single = data point, this is no problem from Logic Squad's perspective. We know = you're holding the money and that spending it has proven rather = difficult!

In = the meantime, we had a number of potential employees for job interviews, = and many of them weren=E2=80=99t fond of the idea to move from whatever = they used before to Eclipse. Maybe we should abandon that idea and look = at creating a plugin for IntelliJ instead or something, and use the = funds towards that?

I = note in Slack there are some people mentioning issues with very recent = Eclipse releases. What's the prospect of updating WOLips just to address = those issues? I'd be happy to spend some of the money on just keeping it = running. Who was it that made the most recent changes to address Eclipse = API changes, and can we tempt them with money to look at = this?


-- 
Paul Hoadley
https://logicsquad.net/
https://ww= w.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/


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