Mailing List Message #370
From: Markus Ruggiero (rucotec) <>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop Wonder's Ant Build
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 11:31:22 +0200
To: Ramsey Gurley <>
Cc: <>, webobjects & WOnder Development <>
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On 20 Jun 2022, at 01:27, Ramsey Gurley via Webobjects-dev <> wrote:

I'm okay with moving away from ant builds for wonder. Someone pointed out to me the jenkins build on wocommunity has been broken for a few months now.

While on the subject of maven, I did some work on a new archetype for WO in my spare time. It's basically with a few extras. I've managed to run it not just as a docker container, but under minikube as well.

I've thought about making a couple more (one for woframework and a D2W app). I'm hoping to maybe push to maven central under a org.wocommunity.archetypes groupId, with the goal of reducing the getting started process with WO to three steps. 1. Install Eclipse 2. Install wolips 3. Start project with archetype from maven central. No local woinstall required, no fiddling with ~/.m2/settings.xml. Just three steps. And name the artifactId so searching "webobjects" finds its.

I'm aware of the existing archetypes. I don't think that repo should go away, but does anyone actually use non-Wonder woapplications anymore? Is Dave Avendasora still around? Does D2JC even work past Java 8?

Anyway, I think it would be most streamlined if the archetypes were only the 2-3 that people may use, on maven central, and easy to find. Then maybe make a quick little tutorial about how to get started in three easy steps.

sounds good to me even though I still do things the old-fashioned way with ant and my hands. Haven’t gone to Maven yet but "it’s in the pipe line" (TM) 😇


From: Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev <>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 6:37 AM
To: Dev WO <>; WebObjects-Dev List <>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop Wonder's Ant Build


I would be willing to put some money into a “fund me” kind of thing where someone that uses Maven creates a real wiki section on using Maven.


Just a thought.




From: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" <>
Reply-To: Dev WO <>
Date: Friday, June 17, 2022 at 9:32 AM
To: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" <>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop Wonder's Ant Build


I’m like Ted,


I though it would prevent me from keeping my current (ant) projects as they are.
I understand this only applies to building Wonder.
I don’t think it would be fair to ask the contributors to spend time on keeping a build system for Wonder that none of them use.


So as far as my opinion counts, I’m not against dropping ant build system from the Wonder build:)




On 17 Jun 2022, at 15:26, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev <> wrote:


Just to answer the question from before, I do build my own Wonder frameworks. It looks like I am going to have to put in the time to get Maven going in my work flow.,




BTW, does anyone here subscribe to Builtlwith?


814 new WebObjects Leads


I was looking around and I was amazed that the Siemens login page has a video tutorial. As I watched it I noticed that all the pages referred to had WebObjects in the URL. There is WebObjects out there.




From: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" <>
Reply-To: Paul Hoadley <>
Date: Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 8:06 PM
To: "Ted Petrosky (WO)" <>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Drop Wonder's Ant Build


Hey Ted,


Already answered, but just for additional reassurance:


On 17 Jun 2022, at 08:17, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev <> wrote:


What about us guys whose projects are smallish projects and never instituted Maven...


It won't affect your projects! This is purely about building the Wonder frameworks from source. You won't need to migrate your projects to Maven if you don't want to, though I strongly recommend that you do.



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